Finding the Parents of Jose Antonio Lisarde
Research note by Wesley Johnston - begun 27 May 2022 - last update 27 May 2022
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Overview
Ancestry and FamilySearch have "index" entries for the marriage of Jose Antonio Lisarde. These are not really index entries since they do not point to the specific image for the record -- the record that might give the names of his parents (but which turns out not to give those names). The search for both this marriage record and for the Informacion Matrimonial turned out to be extremely difficult. This note presents the records search, the problems with those record collections, and the final results of those searches.
The Marriage Record
Ancestry has a "Mexico, Select Marriages, 1570-1950" collection that includes the same information that the FamilySearch "index" provides:
Jose Antonio Lisarde married14 Feb 1789 at San Miguel [Church], Yahualica, Jalisco, Mexico with Maria Josefa Ruana, which is on FHL Film Number 226451.
It turns out the FamilySearch index has two problems.
1 - If you are searching for the date 14 Feb 1789, all you find is an index entry with the same information as above. But instead of San Miguel, Yahualica, it shows "San Miguel, Cocula". Cocula is 123 miles from Yahualica -- not at all close. There is another record on the same date with almost the same name for the wife, but it is at San Miguel Arcangel, Etzatlán, which is 132 miles from Yahualica. So, both of these appear to be false matches when in fact they are (mostly) correct but confused the San Miguel churches at two other locations with the one at Yahualica.
2 - There are two other entries, both of which have the correct names and location. But they are indexed as 14 Feb 1889 -- exactly 100 years too late.
So, I chose to search FHL Film Number 226451 to find the marriage record. The first two items on the microfilm have the marriage registers for 1778-1806. They are in chronological order. So, you would think that it is simply a matter of finding the 15 Feb 1789 marriage. And you would be wrong. Image 67 of the 582 images jumps from marriages in January 1784 to January 1791. The 1791 page begins in the middle of an entry that is not from the bottom of the 1784 page. So, clearly a lot of pages are missing.
I searched through all 289 images of the first two items, and the missing marriages are not there. It turns out that the third item has the missing marriages, and I found the desired marriage at image 339:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KC9Y-YQ?cc=1874591&wc=3J67-FMS
BUT while the record gives the bride's parents, it does not give the parents of Jose Antonio Lisarde.
It turns out that this record is erroneously trancribed and indexed as 14 Feb 1889 so that the 1889 "hits" in the search on FamilySearch really are the correct records -- with links to the images -- but indexed 100 years wrong.
The Informacion Matrimonial
As of this update, I have yet to find their Informacion Matrimonial. This is because Yahualica has no less than 5 separate registers containging 1789 IM entries, and I have yet to search all of them.